Okay. I'll keep it very brief, Mr. Chairman.
I sense the member's frustration. I think we can identify with that frustration. We can certainly understand it.
I don't believe that I certainly or any of our colleagues here were trying to justify anybody's criminality based on root causes.
There are two points to be made. Looking at root causes is important to ensure that there is not continued growth in criminality and there aren't new witnesses tomorrow. That's what that is about. As for those who are in penitentiary or in prison today, hopefully they'll do something or something will be done for them to improve their lives and to make it safer for them to one day return to a community.
The other aspect is understanding the situation in Toronto or any other major community in Canada. The laws exist today to put into prison for life somebody who shoots somebody else. That exists. So because you make a particular offence mandatory at a point in time, that by itself--although it sounds like an easy solution--is not going to be the solution to all the problems we have.