Thank you.
Mr. Kulik, I appreciate what you said on aboriginal people. I'm not going to ask about it, though, because we've heard it before and we all agree, at least on this side.
The Liberals' basic goal in all this is to make Canada safer for the victims, so they're not reoffended against, or for other citizens. And we're making our decisions based on facts, not on people's misconceptions or rumours or emotion.
We've had a great deal of evidence. It's been wonderful.
And it's great, Mr. Doob, to have you here because I know you're one of the acknowledged experts. And you're not just talking about one paper because you have done a review of all the recent literature, so it's much more broad. There were only two pieces of fact-based evidence that we had that suggested this law might be helpful and you have debunked them both.
I just want to put on the record that this committee now has no scientific, fact-based evidence suggesting that any MP should vote for this bill.
I have a question on something you didn't address at all. Mr. Kulik, Mr. Doob, and maybe even Mr. King could answer this.
A lot of witnesses have suggested, including the police, that when you put a person in prison, the longer they're in prison, the more criminal tricks they learn, the more they get socialized to criminal life, the less hope there is for a normal lifestyle, the less socialization they get with their family, and indeed, generally, they become more dangerous as opposed to less dangerous. But I don't know, once again, if we're going on fact-based evidence. No one has mentioned that topic at all. I wonder if there have been any studies done on that.