I recognize the complexity of this. There's no doubt about it. It just seems to me that there ought to be a major effort towards a strategy of some sort to say that gang activity will not exist in a penitentiary--not in this country--and we should start moving towards that and mean it.
But every time, it seems like there's a hindrance of some sort when it comes to policy making. I find it really frustrating when maybe a policy or legislation or even a regulation is brought forward, and it doesn't pass the charter test. It can't go that way; it doesn't pass the charter test. Who's the charter protecting in this country? Is it protecting the criminals or is it protecting the victims? I think we've got to start taking a look at how these decisions are being made. It isn't right that this continues.
Mr. Delva mentioned prevention. Boy, that is as necessary as can be. Prevention is really necessary, and I commend you, sir, for your work to that end.
I can remember that after 1982, when the charter came into effect, every time we tried to mention TV programs, mention certain music, mention certain Hollywood ventures, and that maybe this ought to be fought by the principals' associations and educators, we were accused of censorship in a flash.
This kind of attitude is destroying us. We need to get youth out of bush parties and out of block parties where people are being killed. Nobody does anything about them any more because, well, you just can't go there. But that's nonsense. I want to know when the authorities in this country, including the politicians, are going to wake up and do something about it and stop blaming poverty for everything. Because it goes far beyond that.