I am unclear as to whether Mr. Bagnell and Ms. Jennings are speaking in favour of or against their amendment. On one hand, you are saying that we don't need tougher mandatory minimums, and on the other hand, your amendment suggests that we do.
What we are proposing focuses on recidivists, people who have committed a serious crime and then continue to commit serious crimes. That was the testimony we heard, that this is something that a small number of people do. If in fact the sentences that they were getting were always bang-on appropriate, there would be no need for us to bring forward any amendment.
We have brought forward these amendments to focus on recidivists. The amendments proposed by the Liberal Party do not do that. They do not take into account someone who has repeat offences.
I would like to be assured by Ms. Jennings saying, don't worry, if someone has a second or a third offence, they will be dealt with more severely. But I don't see the evidence. If she has it, she can table the evidence suggesting that in fact this is taking place.