I'll catch that.
I wouldn't use that term, but we have barrels of evidence of surveys of police officers, as compared with the rest of the public, that they have a set of attitudes generally that have a special focus. They are more likely to want very severe penalties than the average Canadian. They are more likely to find, in particular, young minority accused less credible than are other Canadians. The problem is in taking that particular group and giving them a position on the committees, and this is the point of Mr. Grammond, that it is loading it in one direction.
Let's take another group, defence lawyers. Or let's take the committee for those who have been falsely convicted of crimes. Those groups, call them what you will, are very concerned about the errors courts have often made in convicting people. If you're going to have the police presence there, you should at least have the others.
But I agree very much with Mr. Grammond that once you start doing that.... And look at the kinds of jobs these judges are doing. Very few of them are in the crime area; they're doing tax, they're doing administrative law, they're doing all kinds of stuff. So what are you going to do? You're going to take tax law, you're going to take people from the poverty community, you're going to take big business--are you going to build all these committees around all the different points of view? I think that's a crazy way to select judges.