Well, exactly. Perhaps LEAF and REAL Women would be the better example. Thank you.
Let me use another one. We have a strong feeling that we don't have enough representation on our benches across the country from visible minorities, first nations, the aboriginal community. Should they be on, and how does the government go about deciding who would be able to play a meaningful function without allowing biases to overwhelm their decision-making as to who they're going to recommend?
I'm asking Professor Ziegel, I think, in particular because of the experience we've had at the provincial levels. Do you have any comments to make in that regard, as to how we choose the membership?