Evidence of meeting #78 for Justice and Human Rights in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Greg Yost  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Hal Pruden  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Evan Graham  National Coordinator, Drug Evaluation and Classification Program, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Noon

Bloc

Réal Ménard Bloc Hochelaga, QC

Why 12:30 p.m. instead of 3:00 p.m.?

Noon

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Art Hanger

So 3:30.

Noon

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

I apologize, but the Liberal women's caucus sits from 12 until 1:30, so caucus is ongoing until 1:30 in the afternoon.

Noon

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Art Hanger

Mr. Moore.

Noon

Conservative

Rob Moore Conservative Fundy Royal, NB

Practically speaking, just based on what Mr. Bagnell said in the last couple of minutes, we obviously, as a government, want to get this through. We feel that it is an important piece of legislation. It's going to keep Canadians safer and address the whole issue of drug-impaired driving, which is not sufficiently addressed as is. I'd like to see that happen before the summer, but if we're going to come back here, Mr. Bagnell mentioned the Bloc and the NDP being able to think about the whole bill and giving them some time and that's why he talked out the clock—

Noon

Liberal

Larry Bagnell Liberal Yukon, YT

The whole clause.

Noon

Conservative

Rob Moore Conservative Fundy Royal, NB

I'm just wondering, when we come back, is he going to continue his filibuster throughout the whole two hours tomorrow? That would certainly have an impact on my thoughts on whether we should meet or not.

We have to meet. I agree that we should meet, but it should be to do some work.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Art Hanger

You have a point there, Mr. Moore. I don't see the advantage of Mr. Bagnell continuing on that discussion, but the committee can bear with it if he does. But we do indeed have to finish off, or at least try to finish off, this bill. It would be nice to set aside, say, one hour tomorrow. I'm trying to get a consensus from the committee as to what time that might be.

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

It should be at 3:30.

12:05 p.m.

Bloc

Réal Ménard Bloc Hochelaga, QC

Mr. Chairman, the committee should meet tomorrow afternoon at 3:30 p.m. Let's use the time set aside for the legislative committee. I'd like to know what difference it makes if we meet at 12:30 p.m. or at 3:30 p.m. The only time during the week that we have to meet with people, when we're not sitting in committee, is after caucus. What difference does it make? Everyone wants this bill. There has been no systematic obstruction to date. You can thank God, Mr. Chairman, that we have voted in favour of your amendments. I don't see what the problem is.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Art Hanger

What about 3:30 today?

12:05 p.m.

Bloc

Réal Ménard Bloc Hochelaga, QC

Tomorrow.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Art Hanger

Mr. Comartin.

12:05 p.m.

NDP

Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Do I have the floor? Thank you.

Bill C-21 is coming up for debate in the House this afternoon. I assume several of us will want to be there to debate that, and I can't be here tomorrow afternoon after question period. I'm in Montreal as soon after question period as I can leave. So why don't we just do it on Thursday when we are already scheduled?

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Art Hanger

The suggestion has been 3:30 tomorrow.

12:05 p.m.

NDP

Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

I can't do 3:30 tomorrow.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Art Hanger

Mr. Lee.

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

Derek Lee Liberal Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

On a strictly technical basis, what we want to be able to do is report this back to the House prior to the summer break, and if we wait until Thursday's meeting, it may be that the House would adjourn prior to our ability to actually introduce it back into the House. By meeting tomorrow, it at least gives us the opportunity to finish and report back to the House and our job is done.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Art Hanger

Exactly, Mr. Lee. I think that expresses it all on our side as well. So tomorrow it is, at 3:30.

Mr. Bagnell.

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

Larry Bagnell Liberal Yukon, YT

I just want to reply to Mr. Moore.

I'll agree not to filibuster if we can have a serious comment from each party on this major point in the whole criminal justice system of taking away people's rights in this clause by not allowing them this evidence. If every party makes a serious comment on that, then I will not filibuster.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Art Hanger

It's good that you've made your serious comment already, Mr. Bagnell, so I guess it's just up to the rest of them.

12:05 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

He did it on an individual basis; he did not speak on behalf of the Liberals.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Art Hanger

The meeting is adjourned.