With regard to the sanctions, I would agree with you. We do have some harsh sanctions on the books, and they're not being enforced. If you look at the average sentence that was imposed, even in 2002, 77% of people got a fine; the fine was $700-and-some. You very rarely see jail sentences.
I think it's also important to spend some time looking at what the judges are doing and why they're doing it--the very same as we did with prosecutors. We did this in the U.S. It was interesting. When we took it on, people said we would never get the judges to participate. We surveyed 900 judges in 44 states, and they were more than happy to tell us their issues, concerns, and what problems they face.
To work with them in a manner similar to how we worked with police and with prosecutors would give us a lot of insight and provide guidance to the committee in terms of the challenges and, more importantly, what other things can be done. The judges were more than happy to tell what they thought could be done to make the problem better. At the end of the day, I think they're just as concerned about drunk drivers as everyone else.