Strangely enough, despite the books I've written, I'm actually not a tough law and order type, in the sense that I'm not convinced that more prison time or sentences necessarily work. But they can be important, and I think what we're forgetting is that they're important not just to get the bad guy or the top bad guy. Where they're really effective, and the way they work in the States, is by pressuring the middle guy or the small guy to flip. In other words, it's called squeal and deal. That's the problem.
When the police arrest a mid-level biker or criminal and want them to go up to the top--that's what we're talking about, getting organized crime--if the guy's looking at two years and he knows he's going to be out in a few months, he has no incentive to flip against his boss. It's when you're facing 10 or 15 years on a drug charge; that's how the Americans get this top crime leader. That's why it's important.