Thank you.
I'd like to assure all members here that we have an excellent chair, and when there is a point of order, the clock is automatically stopped. I'm prepared to use part of my five minutes to explain this to members, so they don't need to be worried that I'm using a point of order to eat up their time.
I would like to come back to the issue of judges' discretion. I think I understand it, and I certainly do support it. I do, however, know that there are cases and there have been studies that show that in certain very exceptional cases minimum mandatory sentencing can in fact be dissuasive and can have a positive result. It's very few cases and very, very narrow, which is why when my former boss, the former Minister of Public Safety of Quebec, when he talks about the two forums in the Commonwealth countries--