What's interesting is that prior to going to life 25, when we had capital and non-capital murder distinctions—capital being a death sentence—the approximate average number of years before a non-capital murder offender was released was somewhere around 13 or 14 years. So with life 25, we're basically at very close to twice that.
I think an argument can be made, and probably would be made if it had to be made, that if there's no longer a faint hope clause, and if the person can only apply for release after 25 years of incarceration, that may constitute cruel and unusual punishment and be open to a charter remedy at that point.