I find that number pretty surprising. And we've heard quite a bit of testimony about the administrative penalties that most provinces have at 0.05.
I'll throw this open to our panel. Is there any one province that you would hold out as a success story? What is the appropriate penalty? Should the penalties increase for someone who has had multiple offences?
And I have another question. Anyone can feel free to answer who feels competent to do so. What does someone who is drinking and considering driving look at as the more significant penalty: the Criminal Code sanction or the inconvenience of the loss of a licence? We've heard some testimony I found a little surprising, that the most serious thing is the loss of their licence. People are more worried about that than a Criminal Code conviction. I find that hard to believe, but maybe that's what you're hearing.
I'll throw those questions out.