Minister, one thing we learned in speaking to people like the chiefs of police in Calgary and Edmonton, various law enforcement officials, and various community support individuals is that gang-related violence, since we're talking about the most egregious offences, is often perpetrated in the youth context by what I have called pawns in the gang hierarchy. Youth are being used by someone else, who's really directing them.
We're in a quandary in our organized crime study as to how to get to the directors of the pawns, who do these things just along the lines of YCJA for reasons that an adult probably wouldn't, such as self-esteem, self-grandeur, acceptance, and all those things.
Can you think of a way to get at the directors of the pawns--the kingpins, so to speak--in gang violence, whether or not it's through the YCJA?