Can I respond very quickly?
There are two terms. One is serious offence, and serious offence is that grab bag of offences that you referred to for which the punishment is more than five years. That is the jumping-off point for a pre-trial detention. We're concerned about that, but there's another offence, and that's violent offence. It's a different offence. When we were talking about violent offence, I was asking you to import “knowingly” into paragraph 3(c). When you talk about serious offence, it's such a grab bag, don't you really mean serious violent offence? Isn't that what you're trying to say?
We have to be very careful not to mix up “serious offence” with “violent offence” in the section. I think we're all saying that “serious offence” is too wide. It's not targeting who you want to have in custody prior to trial. We're also saying that “knowingly” should be imported into the the definition of “violent offence” in reflection of the concern that Justice Nunn had.