Again, in the case of first-degree murder, for instance, juries do make that decision and impose life sentences on individuals for whom.... Again, it's said in open court that they're ineligible for parole for 25 years. But what we all know about this particular clause in federal legislation is, as I say, that it's a loophole for lifers.
So, yes, there is this. Again, juries do what they are instructed to do and weigh the guilt or innocence of an individual. You're quite correct that in first-degree murder cases they are prepared to impose life sentences with no eligibility for parole for 25 years for an individual.
Again, this is something that's been part of our law now for quite some time, and this is what we want to change.