Mr. Ed McIsaac at the Justice and Human Rights Committee

I'm not sure I understand either. I would support the reasons provided by Mr. Sauvé. The institutional environment in our federal penitentiaries is not an inviting and pleasant place. It is difficult, oftentimes, to stay out of trouble. A conviction for a minor or major offence creates a black mark. Involuntary transfers, perhaps back to higher security, are going to slow the process down. I assume there is a weighing in the minds of most of what their chances are, or what they believe their chances are, often reflected by the position that the Correctional Service is taking with regard to the management of their case, whether it be for the preparation of--