I said listen to victims, but don't do it selectively. It is disrespectful to victims to treat them as one homogenous group in which everyone thinks the same and everyone responds to grief, pain, and loss in the same way. A variety of people in Canada are victims and provide services to victims, and many of those people will recognize that the people who commit crimes come from the same communities as the victims.
Let me finish, please.
They will recognize that if you want to fight crime, you do it in the communities, not with harsher sentences.
I'm not being disrespectful to Ms. O'Sullivan. I have no doubt about what she said here. I'm saying that's an individual view; listen to the broad spectrum.