I've not done any work on the amounts, per se, but I have looked at some things and read some things. Social science research is not always provable, but clearly I think it was mentioned how much the crime costs the public purse in a sense through health care, counselling, lost production, suicides. I think if we could do a balance on that, sort of a cost-benefit analysis, if you will, we'd find that the cost of actually incarcerating some of these folks for a longer period would not outweigh what it's costing society by not keeping them in and their reoffending.
And of course it was raised, and I think this is a good point, that incarcerating them for a long enough period of time to hopefully get some help, hopefully re-establish themselves is a problem—and I know Mr. Ménard raised the issue that then they're potentially out of the workforce, etc. On the other hand, if we don't have them incarcerated long enough to try to do something with them, then they are back out and potentially—and I think a lot of the stats do say—many of them reoffend. There is a huge cost to the public in those offences because of what it does to the victims or the survivors.
So I don't know that we could put a dollar figure on it, but I—