Okay. One of the things that I guess I should really clarify, too, is that a lot of the work we do is with the adult survivors. We do work with Children's Aid and a lot of agencies that work with children, and I guess one of the things I neglected to say is one of the things I think is really important: we're talking about prevention here, which is critical, but the other really important piece is the value for the victims themselves.
A good example is Martin Kruze. I don't know, but I think most of you would remember that Martin Kruze came forward at Maple Leaf Gardens. He was the first one to come forward to say that he had been sexually abused there. He was one of over a hundred men who came forward, who we are still helping; they are still coming forward 13 years later.
Martin's perpetrator, Gordon Stuckless, got two years less a day, if you recall, and Martin committed suicide. He said: “Is that all my life is worth? Two years less a day?”
So what I'm also imploring this committee to do is to think of the message you're giving to the victims, and that's a lot of who we see as the victims, the children themselves. Can I give you a specific case that I'm working on personally? No. We don't do front-line work, but the agencies we work with could absolutely give you case after case, I'm sure. I see the damage that's done with the adults. I hope.... I can't be more specific.
But the other part that I guess I've neglected to say--and to your question--is about when these people get out. I know it's not part of we're talking about today, but we need electronic monitoring then, because.... Your concern is about them getting out afterward. We need to control them afterwards, because they do reoffend. If we let them out with conditional sentencing, you can put conditions on them, but we know statistically that they reoffend.
So for us, that's why, I guess, minimum sentencing first of all gives a strong message, but secondly gives a strong message to the victims that their lives are worth something. I hope this answers that for you.