If I might, I'll briefly respond on the first question. Did we undertake an assessment of any decrease in charging convictions of child sex offences since the 2005 amendments? We did look at the outcome, we did look at the number of cases. I don't have data or a study to provide to you. I think perhaps the Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics may in their presentation be able to partially respond to that.
What I do have and can refer the committee to right now is the Juristat that the Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics produced on child and youth victims of police-reported violent crime, 2008, and I'd certainly be happy to provide that to the clerk.
One thing I would note as a caution is it's often difficult to make a direct causal relationship between changes in the number of incidents reported and specific law reform measures, because we don't know if sometimes it's an increase in reporting or an increase in incidence or a decrease. But that's a caution that exists.
Secondly, as to the Julian Roberts study, we may not have original copies, but we may have the photocopies that we can provide to the committee.
On the exception clause, in terms of when courts in other countries may have an ability to not impose a mandatory minimum penalty in exceptional cases, we'll undertake to do our best to pull some of that together for the committee.