This might be a good time to segue to you, Professor Reid. I lived for a year at Holy Cross House when I was going to law school, so I have a fond spot for St. Thomas and the good work that former conservative MP Dennis Cochrane is doing there as chancellor.
In any event, there may be some common ground in the idea of clinical work towards rehabilitation, whether through diversion or incarceration, and whether mandatory or not--and those are good questions--in that I think we recognize that it could work.
Getting away from the mandatory aspect, what are your thoughts on the type of treatment and the length of treatment? What is required to turn someone around? I heard that evidence from a victim's group, about turning a young person around if it's possible. It sounds to me, Mr. Penner, as though there's a whole public health or a mental health issue as well. With your set of circumstances it may be awful--it is awful--but it may be quite different from the hopeful rehabilitative goal that I think you espouse.