Thank you very much, Chair.
Thank you to the witnesses for coming today.
Mr. Rice, I have just a quick observation. It's defence council's obligation to their client to try to win at all costs. That's the problem you face. As a policeman for 30 years, I saw the transition. I saw the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It's a good thing, but when left in human hands, it can be manipulated beyond belief. That's just a comment, sir. I really wish.... I was going to go down that path, but I think it's fruitless.
But here's what I do think is a fruitful path, quite frankly. Warkworth Institution is within my riding. It's Canada's largest federal medium-security penitentiary. They have a healing centre there. I forget the exact name of the program, but it is a complete and separate dwelling within the confines of the institution. There are some first nations territories in the vicinity, but actually, because of the numbers we have, it's very successful. I believe it's immensely successful.
I'm throwing this out to Mr. Louis, Ms. Fox, and Mr. Foss, if we have time. I'll try to be succinct with my words. I think the reason it is successful is that it goes to the roots of first nations people, which are for all intents and purposes very religious, if I can use our term. That is based on the creator, and it works up from there, building on self. That's the same for every religion. Quite frankly, I think you underuse the chaplaincy programs in our prisons. They're very cost-effective and they reach into the community from birth up.
I wonder, Mr. Louis, if you could talk about that, and then just leave a bit of time for Ms. Fox and Mr. Foss to comment.