There too, I'll say the same thing. I agree with Mr. Sapers. What does the suspension of criminal records entail? That means that we're not granting a full pardon. What do we do in a case in which an individual has served his sentence, has repaid his debt to society? I believe that, in a democratic society like the one Canada wants to be, when an individual obtains a pardon, that means something, in particular that he can move forward, find a job. What effect does a record suspension have? It's an ambiguous situation. We don't know what it is.
And why abolish the pardon? Why? Why add five or 10 years in the case of summary conviction offences or criminal offences? What's the justification for that? We have to ask ourselves who requests a pardon and who obtains it. Do you have any statistics on the subject? Do multiple repeat offenders request a pardon? No, those who do so are people who commit one offence in their life and who ultimately decide to make that request. So why withdraw a measure that is already... Look, it's a screen—