Certainly for the conviction of kidnapping of a young child under the age of 16, the five-year minimum is something that recognizes the severity of the crime.
With regard to sexual offences, whether it be sexual assault, sexual exploitation, pornographic material, etc., those minimum mandatories were deemed by other parliaments that were before me. I can't speak to them; I won't speak to them. From a police officer's perspective, sometimes I strongly suggest that we don't go far enough because I've seen things that most people in this room have not seen. I can tell you that there are certain offences that would sicken your stomach. Because we have the latitude in this country to recognize that the offenders are treatable, and in some cases they may be, but in some cases they aren't, and when they're not we need to send the message.