Okay.
The most spectacular example anywhere in the world in terms of crime reduction is a Winnipeg example with an 85% reduction in car theft. The past president of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police is going to be in charge, probably, of victim issues, since he's now a deputy minister in Saskatchewan and has been adopting the Glasgow model.
There are a lot of things that we can do in this country to reduce the $83 billion in harm. We need to do that. That's on an annual basis. It doesn't matter if police-recorded crime is going up or down: that harm is there. We need to face it and we need to do something about it.