Evidence of meeting #55 for Justice and Human Rights in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was chair.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Laura Stone  Counsel, Human Rights Law Section, Department of Justice
Stephen Zaluski  Deputy Director General and General Counsel, Human Rights Law Section, Department of Justice
Christine Lafrance  Procedural Clerk

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Brampton West, ON

Yes.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave MacKenzie

CPC-4 is out.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Brampton West, ON

Yes.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave MacKenzie

CPC-5 is out.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Brampton West, ON

Yes.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave MacKenzie

CPC-6 is out.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Brampton West, ON

Yes.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave MacKenzie

CPC-7 is out.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Brampton West, ON

Yes.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave MacKenzie

NDP-1.1 is out.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Brampton West, ON

Okay.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave MacKenzie

CPC-10 is out.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Robert Goguen Conservative Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Is CPC-10 already out?

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave MacKenzie

Yes, because it was consequential to CPC-2, CPC-5, or CPC-6, and they're out.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Robert Goguen Conservative Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Thank you.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave MacKenzie

CPC-8 and CPC-9 cannot be put if NDP-2 carries, and CPC-9 cannot be put if NDP-2 or CPC-8 carries.

Are we okay now?

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Brent Rathgeber Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

Yes, thank you.

Do I still have the floor, Mr. Chair?

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave MacKenzie

Yes.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Brent Rathgeber Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

So CPC-10 is non-votable.

In my view, the best definition comes from the DSM-IV. The other two proposed amendments come from online psychiatric manuals. One of them is from the American Psychiatric Association. I'm sorry, but I can't find the other one.

I'm a little troubled, and I'll close with this because I think we need to move forward. Apparently the sponsor of the bill was prepared to consider an alternative definition other than NDP-2, but now is not, so I'm not prepared to consider it. I would remind members of the committee of that position when they vote on NDP-2.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave MacKenzie

Thank you.

Mr. Seeback, go ahead.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Brampton West, ON

You mentioned the provinces that have added gender identity or gender expression into their own human rights legislation. Do you see there being a problem with an inconsistency between what might be passed by this committee, in this Parliament, and the codes that are going to be or that have been passed provincially?

4:20 p.m.

Counsel, Human Rights Law Section, Department of Justice

Laura Stone

I don't think that poses a problem. The codes are generally similar, but they have slight variations. Some provinces have grounds that are not in the federal act. There are some differences in wording across the many acts that exist.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave MacKenzie

Mr. Anderson, go ahead.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

David Anderson Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

I have a question for Mr. Garrison.

He has agreed to remove the expression “gender expression”. It's generally understood that gender identity and gender expression are two different things and may touch on two different groups.

Does he assume that if he takes out “gender expression”, it is going to be covered by “gender identity”, or is he saying that those folks who may have a gender expression without having any issues with gender identity, if that's the case, are in a different situation? Doesn't he want to address that?

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dave MacKenzie

No. He doesn't want to address it.