That's a good line.
Professor Waller, I know you talked about having a particular role in prevention, or a particular body to do that. Aside from the specifics, such as Mr. Kennedy was talking about with particular offences....
I'm going to quote you a comment from your own paper. It says, “If locking up those who violate the law contributed to safer societies, then the United States should be the safest country in the world.”
That's a general comment about how many people are in prisons. That comes from a committee of this House, in 1993, I think, led by Jack Horner. He would have been the chair of that committee.
How does that comment fit with your comments about crime prevention generally? We do have a lot of commentators saying that a solution of having more people in jail is not going to make our communities safer—notwithstanding what Mr. Kennedy said about perpetrators; that's a different category.