That's right.
Sometimes what I think members on the other side forget is that in the justice system, not only should justice be done but you also have to have the appearance of justice being done. The public at large has to believe that justice is being done. That's why I think something like you're talking about, with a mandatory minimum penalty for someone who is.... We have to remember that this is for recruiting someone under the age of 18. They're recruiting young people into a gang.
One thing members keep talking about is why you aren't addressing issues with a more restorative approach. I would remind my colleagues that this is a private member's bill. This is your legislation. This is not government legislation. He's decided to tackle a particular issue.
My colleagues raised some issues about the Boys and Girls Club. I noticed that they say:
Boys and Girls Clubs were pleased to hear the Government announce the next phase of the Youth Gang Prevention Fund to support proven and promising crime prevention initiatives in communities that are impacted by gang activity.
This is not just a stick approach; we do have a carrot approach to the justice system.
Could you comment on that as well, and how important those two things are together?