Thank you, Mr. Chair.
In Mr. Dechert's first question, he criticized a couple of the lawyers' organizations for not talking about public abhorrence and denunciation when it comes to sentencing, but he didn't give you a chance to respond.
Mr. Spratt and Mr. Calarco, this is your chance. Where do public abhorrence and denunciation fit in sentencing? Where do they fit, compared to the other factors that you've spoken about at some length?