Evidence of meeting #68 for Justice and Human Rights in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was needs.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Elspeth Ross  Facilitator, Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder Group of Ottawa
Jacqueline Pei  Associate Professor, University of Alberta, As an Individual
Cameron Alexis  Alberta Regional Chief, Assembly of First Nations
Wenda Bradley  Executive Director, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Society of Yukon

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Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Do any of the other witnesses wish to—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Mike Wallace

Chief, would you like to respond?

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Alberta Regional Chief, Assembly of First Nations

Chief Cameron Alexis

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Very briefly, as quickly as I can, I think in our first nation communities our population is evidence that we are increasing by a rate of 4% plus. Are we prepared for the future? That is a question that needs to be answered.

I think there is much more awareness happening. For example, we are well aware of the sixties scoop and the painful results of it. I don't think our people knew what FASD was at that time or even during the 1960s and 1970s. As we progress, some of us have been affected by FASD as a result of the sixties scoop. Awareness in the first nations communities is lacking. Not necessarily everybody goes to the bar, contrary to popular belief. There are people who drink elsewhere.

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Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Are there—

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Alberta Regional Chief, Assembly of First Nations

Chief Cameron Alexis

Prevention programs have to be more prevalent on first nations communities. It has to be funded to address those issues.

Very quickly, just to touch on subsection 16(1) of the Criminal Code, I think we're here because FASD is not factored in to the application of 16(1) when you look at court disclosures, etc. That's why we have to have people affected—

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Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Since you're answering questions right now, Chief Alexis, I would like Ms. Ross to also answer in a moment. But perhaps I could just ask you because you just mentioned the percentage of aboriginal offenders in the prison population. I think you said it was approximately 25%. What percentage of aboriginal offenders in your opinion suffer from FASD?

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Alberta Regional Chief, Assembly of First Nations

Chief Cameron Alexis

That is a very difficult opinion to even speak about because as you know, that's why we're here.

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Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Nobody seems to be able to answer that question.

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Alberta Regional Chief, Assembly of First Nations

Chief Cameron Alexis

Some of our people are not clinically diagnosed with FASD.

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Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Right, okay.

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Alberta Regional Chief, Assembly of First Nations

Chief Cameron Alexis

And right now, sir, if I may, roughly 50% of the present population are aboriginal.

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Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Fifty percent.

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Alberta Regional Chief, Assembly of First Nations

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Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Okay. And would you say the majority of those offenders—

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Alberta Regional Chief, Assembly of First Nations

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Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

—have FASD or suffer from FASD?

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Alberta Regional Chief, Assembly of First Nations

Chief Cameron Alexis

That is again an opinion that has to come from expert practitioners, respectfully.

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Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Okay.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Mike Wallace

You only have a few seconds left.

Do you want Ms. Ross to answer?

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Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Sure.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Mike Wallace

Ms. Ross, the floor is yours.

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Facilitator, Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder Group of Ottawa

Elspeth Ross

The figure that's often been used is 1% of the population had FASD in 2005. But now there is research coming from the States from midwestern cities of 2% to 5%, at least. People generally assume that the figure is much higher, but we need more funding to do stronger prevalence studies. Prevalence studies are under way, but each province handles prevention in its own way and some provinces have more strategies than others in reaching people.

In Ontario, we had an LCBO awareness campaign not to drink during pregnancy, but it was only for three weeks around September 9. And because a prevention campaign costs a lot of money, if there were more funding, it would be possible to put out more.

We think that people really haven't gotten the message, and there is confusion about how much drinking could be possible, because doctors don't give the message clearly that there should be no drinking during pregnancy or when you think you're pregnant. But that message is not clear, and some people are now getting confused and saying that it's fine to drink a small amount during pregnancy. We simply don't know.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Mike Wallace

Okay, thank you for that.

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Facilitator, Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder Group of Ottawa

Elspeth Ross

So I would say that funding would definitely help. And since we know that more and more women are binge drinking but you often don't see the results in children until grade 1, you may not even see the results until high school because it's not clear. So we know it, and yet we haven't got the proof.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Mike Wallace

Okay, thank you very much.

Thank you for those questions and answers.

The next questioner from the Liberal Party is Mr. Casey.