I totally agree with what was just said.
As an example, for our work, we do help folks do what the courts are asking and a lot of it is community work hours to help some of the different needs they have. But we jokingly say at our agency that if we all get in trouble, we've done our community time because the persons we're working with don't and can't organize what they need to do for community time. They can't keep the appointment they have to go to. Sometimes they can't even understand what needs to be done.
One of the situations we're working with now is that they need to shred paper. We're having to teach them all of these things. We're not sure that shredding paper, as community work, is teaching them anything about what they did wrong.
In fact, we would prefer to see restorative justice. Let's work with them and show them what they did wrong. Let's help them make some amends to help them fix that a bit because the two aren't related for the person at all.
Again, our staff are well punished, but the person isn't getting the message that we need to be giving them.