Mr. Chair, I'm quite uncomfortable with voting on vote 35b given what we heard here today. We are basically being asked to approve $3.8 million. The only witnesses we've heard from have said that they really can't talk about that, but there is someone who can. I think that for us to do a responsible job with respect to that $3.8 million, we can't vote on it until we hear something about it. There is somebody who can tell us and they're not here.
