Yes.
I mean, it's this bill in the context of the last 15 years of piecemeal changes to criminal legislation. Taking into account all of the harms that are done through crime, through the criminal justice system, to victims, to everyone.... The thing I would say about that is that the reality, when you look at who is in prisons, is that the line between victim and offender is actually not a solid one, particularly when you look at women. Those women have experienced massive victimization and as well have then been perpetrators.
We need to, in our sentencing reform, look at all of that and at what actually works and what doesn't. We have a lot of evidence now about what doesn't work. Longer sentences, sentencing severity for deterrence, simply don't work.