I would like to add one thing too.
I would also say that our students do incredibly important, serious work across areas of practice. We have students who represent clients who are making refugee claims and say that if they're deported they're facing death in their country of origin. Our students do custody and access cases. I don't think there's anything about a particular kind of criminal case that makes it impossible for the students to do. I guess I would say I would reject that notion.
At my clinic now, when we have clients who come in and are charged with super summary offenses, the Toronto courts will let our students assist them behind the scenes up to trial, and if they have to go to trial on their own, we have a comprehensive kind of self-help kit that we give them. I would tell you, however, that if you ask them, they would much rather have my students continue to go to court and represent them at that trial than to have to go on their own. When our students go to court, our supervising lawyer is there, so they are getting a very extensive kind of support.