What we're focusing on are the best interests of the children, and they vary. They're evolving as the age of the child evolves. We're talking about them as though we already know....
I would refer back to the Convention on the Rights of the Child for some of those details. The best interests of the child include, in article 9, that when a child is separated from their parents, they shouldn't be separated from their parents against their will unless such separation is necessary for the best interest of the child. “States Parties shall respect the right of the child who is separated from one or both parents to maintain personal relations and direct contact with both parents on a regular basis, except if it is contrary to the child's best interests.”
With the change of perspective, if we look carefully at the question you're asking, article 12 in the convention also talks about, “States Parties shall assure to the child who is capable of forming his or her own views the right to express those views freely in all matters affecting the child, the views of the child being given due weight in accordance with the age and maturity of the child.”
There are all kinds of different models for children to be heard. There are some of the things we've spoken about.
The important perspective that we want to advance is that it is in the child's best interests to be given that opportunity.