Again, because of my role at the government, I wasn't formally part of the consultations, but I've written about it. It's a very interesting new development, because it's creating a matrix. A matrix is very critical to corporate compliance. You look at the seriousness of the conduct on the one hand. On the other hand, you look at the remedial effects and the attempts by the corporation to put in a compliance culture. You balance those two. The proposals for the new debarment regime are saying, in effect, that it could be up to 10 years but lower. It's using more of a matrix analysis to balance those two.
Could I just take one minute to follow up on an earlier question, if that's permitted?