Okay. Then let's try this one. Mr. Wernick, you have given incredibly conflicted testimony, and I am going to take you through some of it.
The crux of the issue, according to Mr. Butts this morning was what and when the former attorney general told the Prime Minister himself, or you, that she had made up her mind and she was not going to change it.
Now, I asked you that question when you were here last. You didn't give an answer specifically but we ended up settling on September 17. Would you now say your testimony is that you found out from the former attorney general that she had made up her mind on this issue by September 17?