It doesn't come up very often in a cabinet of 30 or 35 people. As the secretary to cabinet and the Prime Minister's deputy, I try to keep the flow of business through cabinet going, and I'm very watchful for relationships among ministers, and ministers and public servants. The Prime Minister doesn't always have a line of sight to that.
There are occasions where I will speak to ministers or speak to officials to try to—I guess the word might be conciliate, or to find a way through because they tend to chew up time and energy, and my role is to keep the agenda moving forward. I don't do it very often. I have done it from time to time over the last three years, and this was a case where I could see that there was a building tension and frustration about this issue.