What I'll do to answer is just share our experience. Some 99% of the complaints that we received and that we referred to the tribunal under the Canadian Human Rights Act were extreme, hateful and based on neo-Nazi ideology.
In the conversations we've had with police during the course of the time that we were responsible for section 13, many shared with me that it was too difficult to get a charge laid under the Criminal Code for hate. They were actually interested in how they could use section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act.
I'm not an expert in criminal law. We haven't done research on how effective that is. I know there haven't been many convictions or charges laid under the Criminal Code, but that has been our experience with the Criminal Code.