—over the years. But here's the difference.
Naseem Mithoowani, whom I like a lot.... I run into Naseem every couple of years. I like her enormously. I like Muneeza Sheikh. I quite like Khurrum Awan, who is the third of those Muslims who attempted to criminalize my writing.
But I think there is a difference in this. I'm willing to debate you. I'm willing to debate Naseem. I am not willing to go along with the big shut-up, which is—