In the definition of torture, it was recognized as a state crime. It has been understood that way for decades, from the beginning, when international legal norms around torture were established. The definition, as I said, has shifted. I think most of you are lawyers, so I don't have to tell you this. Sometimes it takes a while for law to catch up. That's why I think we don't have a crime along the lines of what I'm calling for written into the Criminal Code. I wouldn't have anything else to say other than that.
Perhaps I would. This is about allowing victims to speak. This is about listening to them. This is a problem in law. Perspective matters, but we need to shift the perspective sometimes and listen to those who have endured suffering. Perhaps on that basis law can change.