Michael, when you have more time and have examined the amendment I proposed, you'll see that 14 years is what I'm okay with.
With regard to the call for life imprisonment, some have asked whether I was trying to make a statement with that. I suppose perhaps I was, but I still think that kind of an offence is....and I would say the same for state torture. When torture happens, whether it's by a state official or carried out in the private realm, I think it warrants a discussion as to the punishment, and I think life imprisonment is appropriate.
However, to deal with some of the concerns that exist from a legal perspective, I would be open to an amendment that would take the punishment back to 14 years.