For example, in London—and I can only speak to London—at the landlord and tenant board, there is a duty counsel who does not do any hearings. He simply meets with people ahead of time. They go in there on their own against landlords who have sophisticated lawyers or paralegals. If they're being evicted, they become homeless. Where does that go from there? Well, they go to the Salvation Army or something. There's an extra cost to the province, and perhaps, for Ontario Works and so on, or for disability payments. You name it, it's going to cascade through the system—
