One of the things that happens is that you get an awful lot of people in court without lawyers and with serious legal problems that go unresolved, and that tends to push up health and social service costs. There's quite a bit of social science in that area right now.
Mr. Duvall, at the risk of going too far into detail, one of the things that the Association of Legal Aid Plans of Canada and the Canadian Bar Association have done, as a collaboration, is to come up with seven benchmarks for legal aid that describe what that broad framework looks like. I will be sure to include that in my brief.