Mr. Kyllo, you alluded to the Manitoba debriefing program. We really haven't heard much evidence about that program. I understand it was established in 2005, but other than that, I really don't know much about it. I was wondering if you could elaborate on the Manitoba experience with the debriefing program.
Dr. Baillie, in relating your experience in counselling jurors, you mentioned that a number of people who came to you were perhaps not satisfied with the four counselling sessions or required further assistance. One of the things I was quite surprised to hear about from Alberta and Ontario was the relatively small number of jurors who are accessing those programs. I was also surprised to learn that almost no one who has access to those programs has asked for more sessions. I believe most provinces offer four sessions, and in Ontario it's up to eight.
Do you have any theory as to why that is? Would it be a lack of information? Is it that jurors are discouraged in some way? It just seems a little bit surprising in light of the statistics, which show that PTSD and other stresses are quite commonplace in the people accessing these programs.