We're trying to balance, obviously, legitimate exploratory conversations, as Minister Chagger just put it, and I think it's the right way to put it. We're not trying to ban legitimate conversations that explore who a person is. What we're trying to do is ban conversations that tell you that who you are is wrong and that you have to change. That's what we're targeting. That's what the definition targets, and I think the definition does a very good job in targeting exactly what we have to do, without being redundant.
In that way, I think we walk the very careful line between freedom of expression—freedom of religion and legitimate exploration, legitimate teaching, legitimate mentoring and legitimate conversation—and what is illegitimate, which is trying, through a practice, to change someone because there is a misguided notion that who they are is wrong.
I think the legislation does a good job with that, and I'm proud of it.