Thanks for the question.
It's important to be, yes, very precise about the definition, and I completely agree with you, sir, about where we're all aligned on this committee and amongst the witnesses. I think some people have inflated the risk with this particular bill. It won't prohibit any individual from seeking any type of counselling from a pastor, a priest, a religious counsellor and so on.
Rather, I think where the ambiguity lies in the bill and in the definition is that it will, or it will at the very least, chill that ability for people who are struggling with questions about personal identity, sexuality, sexual ethics and so on, who want to seek that kind of help that's in line with perhaps their own religious convictions or other reasons why they want to seek counselling—