With respect then, I'd say just take the example of my co-panellist Mr. Ruba. He sought out counselling, talk therapy from a professional, to try to align his religious convictions—and Jose can speak for himself of course—with a particular thing that he was struggling with—same-sex attraction in his work.
The service that's offered by the person or the professional he went to is prohibited by this bill. I quote to you the justice minister's own words in committee two days ago, where he said that talk therapy is covered by this definition.
So outdated modes or methods like shock therapy and all kinds of other horrible practices should be banned, absolutely—