I have no problem with having substantive debate on this, and I accept that there will be differences of opinion, but to say that we don't know what we're talking about, that we don't know what these terms mean.... That's what I'm referring to.
These are well-established terms in law. These are well-established principles that we've established in the Canadian Human Rights Act and in the hate crimes section of the Criminal Code. Therefore, when some members say this makes it more likely not to survive a charter challenge, that's patently false, as these things are already part of rights in Canada and have been for some time.
Thank you, Madam Chair.