We're continuing our outreach. Again, we're trying to identify elements within, in this case, the judicial appointment process, or elements within, I suppose, the legal practice and legal culture that serve as impediments—unknowing impediments, for example—that form part of the systemic bias against people. Again, it's not saying that people are racist. It's saying there might be something we didn't think of that has an unintended consequence.
That was the purpose of my meeting with members of the South Asian Bar Association, south of Vancouver. It was a very productive meeting. I got some very interesting ideas with respect to the criteria that exist on the appointment sheet. Many lawyers, just to give one example, never come into contact with a judge, so asking for a judge's recommendation on the application process is something that perhaps we need to look at. Is there a proxy we could use for the various practitioners? This is true in the South Asian community and it's true in the Asian community as well, where there are a lot of solicitor practices. They don't necessarily come into contact with judges all the time.
This is something that may very well be operating as a disadvantage. We need to look at it further. We need to keep open to other kinds of potential unintended consequences that exist in the system. That's what we mean by systemic bias. It is something we have to root out, and it is something we need to be open to studying further.